Challenger School: Myths, Pros and Cons

June 13th, 2008 Posted in Family, Tips

Challenger I was scouting the web for thoughts from other parents about the Challenger school system and I was surprised not to find any posts whatsoever on this topic. Schools are discussed so often in social circles so I was expecting to find at least one parent who would take the time to share their experiences. (Ok, for now, let us blame it on Google’s poor search technology).

I have had the opportunity to get familiar with the Challenger school system for a few years now. So here goes…

First, let me dispel two common myths about Challenger.

Myth #1: Challenger is too academic. The kids have to slog it out starting from pre-school and kindergarten.

This is completely untrue. There is no question that the kids learn a lot. But the slog days are long gone. The kids don’t have to stay up at night learning facts and figures by rote. The academic pressure appears to have eased up dramatically over the years. Kids get a lot more time to pursue extra curricular activities. I had heard the same horror stories before, but they are certainly not reflective of present-day Challenger curriculum.

Myth #2: Admission is next to impossible. You have to queue up overnight to get your child admitted.

Again, completely untrue. There was a time at the height of the dotcom days when this was true. The system has changed. It is now a lottery system. Besides, since the dotcom bust the number of applicants has significantly reduced. It’s a different story that that the school will act like its “full”, would want to conduct tests etc. before they admit your child. But the reality is that admission to Challenger is not as hard as it was a few years back. This does not in anyway imply that they are starved of kids. The general student teacher ratio is about 25 to 1 though it is a lot better in the pre-school and the kindergarten level (more like 1 to15).

Having addressed the two common myths, here are a few pros and cons. First, the pros.

The Teachers: The big question always on parents minds, “How are the teachers?” The reality is that the teachers at Challenger are like those at most other schools (I hear that pay scales are equally poor in both private and public schools) — there are some exceptionally good teachers and some mediocre teachers. Thankfully, the Challenger school curriculum is excellent. So if your child is lucky and lands a good teacher, the combination with the curriculum makes it terrific. On the other hand if the teacher is mediocre, the curriculum is the only saving grace (don’t expect the management to be of any help!). Note that you will also find the occasional teacher (a computer teacher in elementary school, for instance) who chooses to go his/her own way (define their own rules) and surprises parents with their own unpredictable ways.

The Parents and The Kids: This is probably the best part about Challenger. There are plenty of like-minded parents from identical social backgrounds whose kids go to Challenger. They face similar challenges and share the same values, resulting in lasting friendships and camaraderie between families.

Now the cons.

The Administration/Management: This is easily Challenger’s weakest link. The Administration operates a lot like the Bush Administration. In other words, they chose to do as they please. They never bother to look at any issue objectively. When faced with any parent complaints or issues, they simply stone-wall. You can kick and scream all you like, go up the ladder, all the way up to Ms. Barbara B. Baker , but objectivity is a non-existent commodity in the Administrative circles at Challenger. If you ever bring up an issue, it is promptly shot down with generic responses like “Its the teacher’s prerogative”, “It is only because your child is affected”, “hysterical Mom/Dad” etc. One of principals’ favorite responses to any issue (no matter how unrelated) almost always begins with “when my son was in Challenger…” Many parents who have taken their kids out of Challenger have done so because of their frustrations with the Management. (In fact, some good teachers have left the school because of their inability to deal with the management). But the general philosophy of the Management seems to be one of “If you don’t like it, you are welcome to take your child some place else”

Adoption of Technology: Considering that the Challenger schools in the bay area serves kids whose parents largely work in the high tech community, you would expect a greater degree of technological savvy at school. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Email as a means of communication is hardly ever used by the school. The website is just a bunch of static pages. The school as a whole does not seem to have embraced technology. The parents on the other hand leverage technology to remain in contact, socialize, communicate and share ideas about issues their kids face etc.

The Ethnic Mix: The kids in the Challenger schools in the bay area are predominantly of Asian Indian and Chinese descent. This is true of the teachers and also the Administrative staff. Without a doubt, Indians form the majority. The lack of a strong ethnic mix is a definite minus , but its no different than the student mix at UC Berkeley or for that matter at some of the leading high tech firms in the bay area (Cisco, Intel, Google, Yahoo etc.)

The Big Question: Should you send your kids to Challenger?

I hate to sound like a lawyer. But my answer in this case is “It depends”. The thought of developing a checklist followed by an automated “Challenger Readiness Score” did cross my mind. But I’ll stop here and let you make up your own mind based on the above. I welcome comments and thoughts from others, especially other parents.

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  1. 14 Responses to “Challenger School: Myths, Pros and Cons”

  2. By Parent on Jun 30, 2008

    I agree with all that you have written. You may want to enquire Challenger school about tuition fees and the payment terms. Though, the next academic year starts during the last week of August’08, the parents have to pay for the entire Aug month. How ridiculous is this? Given that the tuition fees are getting increased by atleast $500/annum already and also charges like this are very ridiculous and atrocious.
    No question, the management is very money minded. Take walk into any of the Challenger schools, you will be shocked to see that the campus and playground (what?) look very lame.

    The only good part of challenger school program is teaching of phonics for the pre-school kids. Other than that, nothing magic there.

    I plan to send my kid to public school + Kumon classes next year instead of these lousy school.

    - An Indian Parent

  3. By pkurup on Jul 1, 2008

    As far as I understand the fees is divided into 10 equal payments. So technically one week in Aug and couple of weeks in June account for the 10th month.

    Personally, I don’t have issues with the playground or the campus. I guess this depends on the location. For instance, the Challenger in Ardenwood is just fine in my opinion. The one in Mountain View was undergoing some renovation a while back.

    Ultimately, the choice of school is a personal decision for the parents. Public schools come with their own set of challenges. It is not that everything is hunky-dory at public schools! Public schools vary dramatically depending on the location of the school.

    My posting is not meant to be a comparison between public and private. That is an endless discussion in itself!

  4. By AnotherParent on Jul 19, 2008

    It is so good to see a site like this one! I wonder why we do we pay such good money for medicore teachers who are there only to get a break in tuition and then leave when their kids graduate! Why are the teachers so strict? Why does the management not listen? Unfortunately, we do not have a better choice in this tech savvy part of the country. Anyways good site.

  5. By pkurup on Jul 20, 2008

    Glad you like the site!

    You just have to weight the pros and cons and decided what works for you and your kids. The Administration won’t help you. So unfortunately, it is a take a “take it or leave it” situation.

  6. By Parent on Jul 23, 2008

    how much are typical fees? Like say, for pre-school?

  7. By pkurup on Jul 24, 2008

    Sorry, I can’t help you on this question. You should check with the school.

  8. By Rao Chu on Aug 4, 2008

    Around $13k per 9 months, from K-5 and 12k for perschool 12 months.

    If I have a choice I will buy a house in a very expensive area, where the public schools tend to be very good, and move there. All the elites/technocrats kids are much more motivated than average Joe.

    Nothing great about challenger other than like minded above average/affluent people sending their kids there providing competitive environment. You can have same environment with high concentration of affluent communites. Moving there you are only paying for your mortgage, kind of you can get it back for your kids college. 13K tution for elementary education is waste of hard earned savings( for Indians especially) money.

  9. By pkurup on Aug 4, 2008

    You raise a number of interesting points: motivation, affluence, competition. IMHO, that affluence does not necessarily guarantee greater competition or motivation. In fact, it is likely to result in other problems which your kid will probably be shielded from in a private school.

    Like I mentioned in my original post you really have to make up your mind based on what works for you and your kids. My post is not about public vs. private but more about Challenger itself.

  10. By MS on Aug 6, 2008

    I sent my older son to Challenger for pre-school and Kindergarten and now he is attending a public school. Challenger taught him how to read at 4 which was their greatest achievement. But other than academics, I found that he did not learn anything else there - I had to send him to classes for other extra curricular stuff like Art, Soccer, Piano etc.
    My younger one is starting preschool this year and he is going to go to Stratford. Heard their program is a bit more well rounded - we will see.
    BTW, the Challenger Phonics program is the best. I am looking for the Phonics kit for my younger one(since they did not give that to us when my older one was enrolled there). Does anyone have it for sale? Does Challenger still sell it?

  11. By Anita Kumar on Aug 7, 2008

    Challenger does sell their phonics kits, as far as I am aware of. You can just call up any of the branches to find out.

    Both my kids have been attending Challenger for some years now, and I must say I have to agree with the original post. The best part about the school is the curriculum and the like-minded parents who send their kids there. Some of the teachers are extremely good, and if your child is lucky to get a good teacher, it greatly enhances the educational experience. If they get a mediocre teacher, it’s still not too bad because the curriculum is so good. They do have some sports, music, and art in the regular class, and plenty of clubs for different sports and other activities in extended care. Overall, I have been pleased with the experience, and both my kids just love the school. But I find the management quite poor, and unwilling to listen to issues, let alone try to fix them. There is no real “answerability” as there would be in a public school, where the administration would be obliged to listen to parents and fix problems. Given that Challenger School is expensive compared to public schools, it surprises me that the management does not make more of an effort to keep parents happy, take their feedback, and use it to improve the school.

  12. By Prats on Aug 13, 2008

    I will be sending my son next year.
    Can you name some good teachers in 3 year old classroom.
    Thanks

  13. By pkurup on Aug 13, 2008

    I am not sure but from what I recall at the kindergarten level all the teachers are good.

  14. By Jrf on Aug 20, 2008

    My daughter attended Kindergarten at Challenger in 07/08 and my 3 year old attended the pre-school since Apr ‘08. I’ve been very pleased, especially with the curriculum. The administration in the Boise/Meridian Idaho area has been very responsive (including via email) and adequately addressed any questions or concerns we came across. Addressing the playground, it is amazing at our site, especially the new Everest location opening Aug 08. Overall, we’re very pleased and returning for the 08/09 school year. I find they meet my children’s academic needs very well while also recognizing a child’s need to play, sing, dance and have fun. They make learning fun, keeping them excited about school. We’ll re-evaluate each year but so far, I’m quite a fan of Challenger. Best luck to each of you in finding the best solution for your kids. Hope this helps.

  15. By pkurup on Aug 21, 2008

    I didn’t realize Challenger schools are there in Idaho. Always good to hear from a happy parent! :-)

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